X-farmerdan
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I'm with you....I still think it's greenbriar, especially where pintage is located. It's a wet area, isn't it? I mean specifically where the picture was taken and, probably where you will find most of the stuff.
Multi flora rose?
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dogghr
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Thanks because I just bet 1 billion dollars on the vegas odds.
Seriously, if it is GB then deer do love it but it can form so evil thickets also. My son used to kill a buck 2nd day of season every year along a cliff/GB/MFR thicket, and while they were nice bucks, I hated every second of recovery. Amazingly once he got old enough to recover his own deer alone, he quit hunting there. LOL
X-farmerdan
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I only see one person who, thru sheer force of personality, says it's multiflora rose.
I'll keep guessing!
Common greenbriar
http://dendro.cnre.vt.edu/dendrology/syllabus/factsheet.cfm?ID=127
Multiflora rose
http://dendro.cnre.vt.edu/dendrology/syllabus/factsheet.cfm?ID=151
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George
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You are not familiar with the hand to hand combat that I conducted for 10 years in Iowa. One habitat season I went through 2- 2 1/2 gallon jugs of round up max. At 20-25% that means that I squirted 10 gallons through my Jack bottle on to cut ao stumps and mfr stalks. That equivalent of triclopyr would have at the time put me in the poor house. I also wanted my habitat clean of the nasty carcasses so I folded and rolled up every mfr bush and put them on my traveling camp fires. I had some rose bushes the size of small garages.
I would also have to question that specimen being mfr.
Dgallow helped me come to recognize and appreciate green briar as a habitat plant early on in my Iowa career.
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It looks like near thornless mfr to me. I have millions of GB stalks on my property ( only stalks because deer eat every leaf) and it just doesn’t look the same. The red leaf sheath and green buds look exactly like mfr, I’m just confused by the lack of thorns. My mfr has thorns every 3/4”.
There’s a disease killing mfr on my place. It’s rose rosette disease and it took care of 90% of my mfr in less than 2 years. Great disease, lol.
Don’t get too concerned. It’s good habitat and will probably be under control naturally soon.
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There’s a disease killing mfr on my place. It’s rose rosette disease and it took care of 90% of my mfr in less than 2 years. Great disease, lol.
Don’t get too concerned. It’s good habitat and will probably be under control naturally soon.
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Native Hunter
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It's 100% MFR and not greenbrier. That's my final answer (unless I'm wrong)…………..
X-farmerdan
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It's 100% MFR and not greenbrier. That's my final answer (unless I'm wrong)…………..
I guess the only question, regardless of what it is, is whether to leave it, or eliminate it! Over to you pinetag! Pinetag, do you have a lot of this stuff elsewhere on your land or around you? If it is multiflora rose, wouldn't it be just about everywhere....not to second guess you, Native and/or Mennoniteman!
I've never seen any mfr in Buckingham or Cumberland or wherever you are, Pinetag, but, then again, I guess I don't know what it looks like here. I did in Pennsylvania and upstate New York.
Native. Let's wait until it flowers and gets leaves. Then we will know for sure. The two are much different. Pinetag, you need to feed the debate with more pictures more frequently. You did start this, and for this you will get recognition! Maybe a plaque! Or is that what you get on your teeth?
If I'm right, Native, I would like you to send me some Kentucky bourbon. If you are right, I will send you our governor, lieutenant governor, and attorney general - and, if you insist, a partridge in a pear tree.
And, as a peace offering, irrespective of the outcome, I will send you, Mennoniteman, a book for identifying weeds in Virginia. See? Everybody wins!
dogghr
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Who asked you????It's 100% MFR and not greenbrier. That's my final answer (unless I'm wrong)…………..
And I'm on my way to VA to take my own damn picture and see it in person. If its MFR i'm gonna be really mad at my homegrown stuff thats evil!!
Native Hunter
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Native Hunter
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If you can get anyone to take those 3 dems I can get you a job tomorrow as a used car salesman.
Agreed that it will be no problem to ID when leaves come out.
pinetag
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I will do my best to make it out on Sat and take some more pics, hopefully some better ones and maybe there will even be leaves popping by then.
Farmerdan, I have not noticed it anywhere else but will be keeping a closer eye from now on. I am still very new at plant identification so I'm relying on the experts here to help me learn to id the bad stuff so I can be proactive at getting rid of it. I am in Buckingham and my land is mostly river bottom, however it is elevated along the entire length of the road and this is where the pull off is where this pic was taken.
I thought I might have gotten a pic from the end of summer, back when I cut along the roadside, but all you can see is the edge of it just over the hood of the truck. It's not a very good pic either.
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Farmerdan, I have not noticed it anywhere else but will be keeping a closer eye from now on. I am still very new at plant identification so I'm relying on the experts here to help me learn to id the bad stuff so I can be proactive at getting rid of it. I am in Buckingham and my land is mostly river bottom, however it is elevated along the entire length of the road and this is where the pull off is where this pic was taken.
I thought I might have gotten a pic from the end of summer, back when I cut along the roadside, but all you can see is the edge of it just over the hood of the truck. It's not a very good pic either.
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j-bird
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I'm fearful to even say anything....
I'm in the MFR camp. Greenbriar here grows more like a vine and the "branch" is much more like a stick or twig and very rigid and covered in pin like thorns. MFR grows rose type thorns and in more of a bush form here. Greenbriar also has much larger leaves so if he has pictures at that distance of the leaves it got to be green briar grown up in another tree. MFR at that distance you would struggle to see individual leaves.
I'm in the MFR camp. Greenbriar here grows more like a vine and the "branch" is much more like a stick or twig and very rigid and covered in pin like thorns. MFR grows rose type thorns and in more of a bush form here. Greenbriar also has much larger leaves so if he has pictures at that distance of the leaves it got to be green briar grown up in another tree. MFR at that distance you would struggle to see individual leaves.
X-farmerdan
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Another type of prickly plant we need to be open to are any of the native roses. Go there and I'm lost.
Mennoniteman
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Sheer force of personality? Ha ha, we must've met somewhere... I'll take you up on that, two shoofly pies and a pan of scrapple straight from Lancaster county against whatever you can put up. But seriously, stop looking for thorns on that stem and look at the bud, that's your clue, no other bud quite like it is what makes me so certain. I wasn't trying to say I told you so, it's just very evident in that bud.
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Looks to be more rose-like to me, but as to whether it's multiflora or some native rose it's hard to say from the picture alone. But, it will be easy to tell once it leafs out. Multiflora roses have a feathery or fringed looking stipule, which is a structure at the base of the leaf right where it comes off the stem. You should be able to see it soon. And btw, there is supposed to be a thornless variety of multiflora, although I've never seen it myself.
Native Hunter
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Below is a good link with pictures that shows MFR in bloom beside some of the native roses that it is sometimes confused with. As you can see, a positive ID can be made by the flowers. I noticed a native rose in one of my fences last year that I believe to be Swamp Rose. However, I didn't take the time to make a positive ID. This year when it blooms again, I will use the link below to help with that.
https://www.ontarioinvasiveplants.c...05/OIPC_BMP_Multiflora_Mar122018_D5_WEB-1.pdf
https://www.ontarioinvasiveplants.c...05/OIPC_BMP_Multiflora_Mar122018_D5_WEB-1.pdf
pinetag
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Thanks for that Native! Sure sounds like MFR to me, especially the fountain shape and red/green cane color as well as its propensity to climb trees. One positive I noticed is that it says "does not do well in wet soils", so I guess I don't have to worry too much about it taking over the whole place. This particular bush is up on the higher ground alongside the road, which it also says is a common location. So, in adding all that up it has me strongly leaning toward MFR. Flowers should be a telltale sign in the coming weeks.
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