Kiss the ground documentary: Anyone see it?

Wait, Do you actually believe that last sentence?


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Definitely not my conclusion, it’s that of the film but...YES. Have you seen population graphs from the past few hundred years? Massive spike in the last century and no sign of slowing. It doesn’t matter that western civilizations have slowed if everyone else has accelerated.

A huge percentage of the globes population live in concrete jungles with no desire or potential to sustain their own life. Population and consumption rates can’t climb at this rate forever.


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Mark, how is this possible? Where does this stat come from? And is it only tomatoes and potatoes we can do this with? Are you talking hydrophonics or some other way?

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Willy
Right now, we only farm in places it's convenient. If food was worth anything at all, we'd all be growing it like we grow closet weed, house plants, landscaping, and pets, in every margin out there between our own back yards, every unused lot in town, and on golf courses, in parks, and ditches. I think people underestimate how much food can be grown on a small piece of land when intensively managed. I also think they underestimate how much food can be grown on land that is scoffed at by conventional growers.

The other thing to consider is how much work we're going through to burn as much burn as much production as possible to prop up high input commodity markets. We've been in chronically low oil prices for years.

We've got the luxury of criticizing what kind of fuels we burn to power our machines and heat our homes. The market forces of substitution and true supply and demand can do amazing things when allowed to. For example, we can grow mountains of corn to the point the price is almost always in a state of collapse, threatening to burst the farm inputs bubble.

Market forces would dictate one switch away from corn, but instead, there are a plethora of gimmicks out there to protect the supply and find new ways to use the corn, not to the benefit of the end user or the farmer, but the guys in the middle hustling inputs . The low price problem has forced a grow-or-go situation for many producers and now they're stuck with infrastructure that can't be repurposed, whether that's dryers, bins, barns, parlors, or feedlots.
 
You’re absolutely correct, Mark.
It always amazes me that people buy into the Malthusian nonsense that been proven wrong for well over a century.


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Right now, we only farm in places it's convenient. If food was worth anything at all, we'd all be growing it like we grow closet weed, house plants, landscaping, and pets, in every margin out there between our own back yards, every unused lot in town, and on golf courses, in parks, and ditches. I think people underestimate how much food can be grown on a small piece of land when intensively managed. I also think they underestimate how much food can be grown on land that is scoffed at by conventional growers.

The other thing to consider is how much work we're going through to burn as much burn as much production as possible to prop up high input commodity markets. We've been in chronically low oil prices for years.

We've got the luxury of criticizing what kind of fuels we burn to power our machines and heat our homes. The market forces of substitution and true supply and demand can do amazing things when allowed to. For example, we can grow mountains of corn to the point the price is almost always in a state of collapse, threatening to burst the farm inputs bubble.

Market forces would dictate one switch away from corn, but instead, there are a plethora of gimmicks out there to protect the supply and find new ways to use the corn, not to the benefit of the end user or the farmer, but the guys in the middle hustling inputs . The low price problem has forced a grow-or-go situation for many producers and now they're stuck with infrastructure that can't be repurposed, whether that's dryers, bins, barns, parlors, or feedlots.

You’ll see that kind of land utilization for growing food if you visit China. Not a square foot of arable ground not growing food.


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I don't want to live in a world that every inch of arable land is used for food production. If we get to that point. This earth is trashed by overpopulation and the wild part of the world won't/can't exist. That aint a world for me.
 
I don't want to live in a world that every inch of arable land is used for food production. If we get to that point. This earth is trashed by overpopulation and the wild part of the world won't/can't exist. That aint a world for me.

Totally agree, have seen it firsthand and it’s not for me either. At the rate we’re tearing down fence rows and farming right up to the road here in Indiana it sometimes feels like we’re not too far behind.


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