Keystone Krops

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  1. bearcat

    bearcat Active Member

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    Your plot looks really good. I’ve got a sandy plot with a gentle slope as well. Unfortunately, it was used as a staging area for the cedar removal crew this summer. I got some grass popping up now. What was the mix of ams, crop oil and cleth you used?


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    I'd be careful not to spray everything dead, do you have anything like clover growing in this plot? With sandy soil and a slight slope you want to keep roots in the dirt at all times to get your organic matter up again.
    I think that the maximum rate of clethodim is 16 oz per acre, I use 25 gallons of water per acre, 48 oz of AMS in the water first, followed by 16 oz of bean oil, and then 16 oz of Cleth, driving at 3-4 mph, adjust the pressure to make the 25 gallons reach for 1 acre. I get the best results from herbicide in clover by periodically switching to a different one, usually because of a different family of weeds showing up. Problem broadleafs like thistles and lambsquarter during periods when I have grains interseeded into the clover get Butyrac200, very tough weeds like marestail, smartweed, and stiltgrass get imazethapyr 2sl, and for grasses I use clethodim. I also have used 16 oz of glyphosate on clover with great success, but this can be tricky, it's very dependent on timely rains and temperatures etc. I'm at the point where I don't advise glyphosate on clover anymore because there's so many other options. Also, mowing at 4-6 inches high, then waiting several days to a week to spray herbicide is very effective for weed control. Most herbicide labels say to spray when weeds are 3" tall or shorter. I've heard of people who sprayed mature, two foot high cattails with clethodim and couldn't understand why they didn't get a good kill, when the endeavor was destined for failure before they even started because they didn't follow the label. My advice is to always read the label at least once to get familiarized with a new chemical. I'm not a safety freak, but I wear chemical gloves to mix and a respirator to spray. If you can smell chemicals, you are breathing and ingesting them.
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    Thanks for the info. I don’t have anything in there right now but a few grassy spots. The cedar guys pretty much destroyed anything growing in there. It was used as a place for them to burn piles and move equipment. It’s the only field I don’t have planted yet, more than likely it will get a heavy dose of cereal rye this fall


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    Very nice. How high dosage of Cleth did you use? Sprayed my nuisance plot past week, see how it does in a couple weeks.
     
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    16 oz per acre
     
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    Same for me. I typically use half that but no messing around this time. But then I also usually add shot of Gly. With the drought didn’t want to go that route. Good luck w your season.


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    Thanks for the "Good Luck" wishes, it looks like we are going to need it, in major league sports we'd call it a rebuilding year.

    The first several times that I used glyphosate on clover it seemed like magic, the next several times that I used it I couldn't do anything right. I learned that gly on clover is very dependent on several key things; first, the temperature when applied, and then, the rainfall in the next several weeks, balanced by the amount used. There's three results based on these factors; too much rain and the gly rate too light results in nothing killed. An adequate amount with normal growing conditions kills everything except the clover, which flourishes, and, thirdly, the rate too heavy and weather too warm, followed by a drought stunts the clover and drought resistant weeds appear because of the soil exposure and lack of shading by the stunted clover. With my past experiences I'm not advising using gly on clover anymore.

    A very interesting article about temperatures for chemical application in a university study that I just read about temps for gly application; gly will kill some resistant weeds like marestail if applied at around 50 degrees. When it's cold the cells in marestail can't move the active ingredient into isolation like they normally do to resist the chemical. So I thought that gly wasn't supposed to work at these cold temp ranges, go figure. Since I'm fortunate enough to have marestail I will experiment with this next spring.
     
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    Interesting about the gly. I don't spray very often any more but Never had much problem with its results in mixtures but I've probably been lucky. Now I do know that you can burn the heck out of clover and kill most unwanted weeds by inadvertantly adding too much crop oil by mistake. Or so I've heard. :rolleyes:
     
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    Caught this fellow pigging out on the middle of my trail at 9 am. He didn't leave until the entire cap was consumed, but the stem stayed behind. Deer obviously aren't the only ones who like mushrooms for breakfast.[​IMG]
     
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    Is that a tortoise ?


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    Box Turtle. I found one at my place in OK last year. My son did some research and said you are most likely to see them mid morning after rainstorms. That’s exactly when I found him


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