Hack and Squirt Chemicals?

Mennoniteman

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I'm laid up from rotator cuff surgery right now, and I'm thinking that since I won't be allowed to run a chainsaw for the next half year I would try some one-handed hack and squirt to create a white oak savannah on top of a ridge. But I've never done this before and don't know much about it. Should I get some Triclopyr 4, forestry dye and crop oil like I read somewhere? Or not over think it and use the roundup that I already have? I want to kill maples, beech, birch, hickory, sassafras, gum, and some other trash like honeysuckle. The average trees are in the six inch range. Thanks for any advice you might have.
 
I use a product called "tordon". I use a hatchet or machete to do the "hacking" and then squirt this into the wound. It's got a blue/green color so you can see what you have treated as well. Some have had issues with it leaching into the soil and killing other trees - I have not had that issue thus far. Some simply do a 50/50 mix of gly and diesel fuel as well.
 
I used liquid weedeater along my fence and driveway Sunday, to clean it up a little. I used a mix of 6oz/gallon of 41% gly(30oz/5 gallons) and a 4% mix of 2-4D(2 cups/5 Gallons). I sprayed some of the smaller shrubs and trees last week and they are slowly dying. Some of the bigger trees, I hacked with my knife and squirted the mix in. I will try and get pics tomorrow if I see a change.
 
I believe 2-4-d is the most important part of the mix. Tordon is excellent,but pretty pricey. I've used gly/2,4-d mix to good effect. But it should be noted that 2,4-d plus 2,4-5t equals agent orange. So this stuff requires careful handling. I like to have one guy hacking and another guy with good ppe squirting. Just my opinion.
 
You guys using straight gly (or 50/50), are you doing a basal spray or foliar? Any oil type additive for basal spraying?
Or are you just doing hack and squirt? The sheer number of trees that I need to do make hack and squirt not as appealing as basal sprays.

My issue with Tordon and gly is the Locus tends to root sucker when I use them. So instead one tree, I now have a thicket of trees around the one I killed. Everything else I've tried them on... dead as a doornail.
 
You guys using straight gly (or 50/50), are you doing a basal spray or foliar? Any oil type additive for basal spraying?
Or are you just doing hack and squirt? The sheer number of trees that I need to do make hack and squirt not as appealing as basal sprays.

My issue with Tordon and gly is the Locus tends to root sucker when I use them. So instead one tree, I now have a thicket of trees around the one I killed. Everything else I've tried them on... dead as a doornail.

I do hack and squirt on hickory and post oak. I have noticed some hickory root sprouting which I would prefer not happen...not many but a few...
 
I do hack and squirt on hickory and post oak. I have noticed some hickory root sprouting which I would prefer not happen...not many but a few...
Until I find something that will control root sprouting the only advantage I can have with treatments is a slowdown on seed production, as mature plants get removed and a waiting period for the medusa of sprouts to reach maturity. Doing it wrong with locus is disastrous for me and causes a lot more future work.
 
Hack, girdle, stump treatment. I did have luck killing locust, cut stump, but I also made some locust thickets as cat described. Matt in Wisc. said that I need to treat locust basal with Garlon during the summer time.

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Hack, girdle, stump treatment. I did have luck killing locust, cut stump, but I also made some locust thickets as cat described. Matt in Wisc. said that I need to treat locust basal with Garlon during the summer time.

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I just looked it up and Garlon has the same active ingredient that Remedy Ultra. Remedy has been recommended to me to kill Locust...
Thanks! It's always good to have a second opinion.
 
I just looked it up and Garlon has the same active ingredient that Remedy Ultra. Remedy has been recommended to me to kill Locust...
Thanks! It's always good to have a second opinion.
The generic name for Garlon 4/ Remedy Ultra is Triclopyr 4. I've been told that the generic is a bit cheaper. What I'm gathering from the comments is that Glyphosate works good to kill trees but Garlon 4/ Remedy Ultra/ Triclopyr 4 is even more potent than Gly for hard to kill species like locust, of which I have a few.
 
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The generic name for Garlon 4/ Remedy Ultra is Triclopyr 4. I've been told that the generic is a bit cheaper. What I'm gathering from the comments is that Glyphosate works good to kill trees but Garlon 4/ Remedy Ultra/ Triclopyr 4 is even more potent than Gly for hard to kill species like locust, of which I have a few.

Exactly what I've come to figure out. I knew Remedy Ultra was 60% Triclopyr, I didn't know that Garlon was too. I priced generic Triclopyr 4 a week ago online and found it for about $60/gallon... I just talked with my father in law and he said the noxious week department had Remedy Ultra for $70/gallon (which is about $30 discount from regular price). Right now my plan is to attack any tree that is of seed barring age and once they are dead start in on the thousands and thousands of sprouts we have.

Thanks guys!
 
My modification to the hack and squirt is a 3/4" paddle bit on a cordless screw driver and a squirt bottle (like the red ones that have ketchup in them at the local greasy spoon) full of 41% generic glyphosate. Drill about a 2" hole at a slight angle and fill 'er up. It'll kill anything from sweetgums to pine trees. Quick.
 
Exactly what I've come to figure out. I knew Remedy Ultra was 60% Triclopyr, I didn't know that Garlon was too. I priced generic Triclopyr 4 a week ago online and found it for about $60/gallon... I just talked with my father in law and he said the noxious week department had Remedy Ultra for $70/gallon (which is about $30 discount from regular price). Right now my plan is to attack any tree that is of seed barring age and once they are dead start in on the thousands and thousands of sprouts we have.

Thanks guys!
Perhaps you needn't worry of them too much longer Cat. Most of my locust die on their own and are being wiped out in much of the eastern forests from a variety of factors. The cankers essentially girdle the tree and it eventuallly dies. Not huge loss except for those that use them for fence posts. I'm sure you may have already have issues as I know it is a problem across the country beginning with black and honey locust.
 
Perhaps you needn't worry of them too much longer Cat. Most of my locust die on their own and are being wiped out in much of the eastern forests from a variety of factors. The cankers essentially girdle the tree and it eventuallly dies. Not huge loss except for those that use them for fence posts. I'm sure you may have already have issues as I know it is a problem across the country beginning with black and honey locust.

Never heard of this... and we don't have a single locust that looks sick (trust me I've been paying attention to them as I develop my "kill them all" plan). They are popping up everywhere, including my yard and plots. Maybe you should send me some canker goo and I can get it started here. :)
 
Locust is good for one other thing besides fence posts and honey. Years ago every farmer planted locust trees besides his barn and let them grow tall for natural lighting rods.
 
My modification to the hack and squirt is a 3/4" paddle bit on a cordless screw driver and a squirt bottle (like the red ones that have ketchup in them at the local greasy spoon) full of 41% generic glyphosate. Drill about a 2" hole at a slight angle and fill 'er up. It'll kill anything from sweetgums to pine trees. Quick.


LLC, when you use this method are you drilling one hole or several?



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My modification to the hack and squirt is a 3/4" paddle bit on a cordless screw driver and a squirt bottle (like the red ones that have ketchup in them at the local greasy spoon) full of 41% generic glyphosate. Drill about a 2" hole at a slight angle and fill 'er up. It'll kill anything from sweetgums to pine trees. Quick.
I tried this after reading where you had done this before but I had poor results with hickory. Very hard to drill and then couldn't get the tree to die. Ended up having to completely girdle and it has still taken months to kill some of them.
 
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