Grafting technique pics.....

[dogdoc]

1 year old bark graft



Flowering on a 3rd leaf (2 years after grafting)

 

[Fish]

Fantastic growth on that graft at 8 weeks. You're right though, that just begs to be snapped off in a wind.
Im going to seal with toilet bowl wax next spring. Great idea.

Another comment i will make about grafting persimmon and how they differ from apple/pear. Persimmons need to be fully and actively growing before grafting. Thats usually late april at the earliest for me. Apples will "slip" earlier in the season, meaning the bark on the stock is easily seperated from the wood. Persimmons are tight and will tear if grafted too early...... in my experience.

 

[Sam]

wow y'all make it look so easy. What is the success rate on graph taking?

 

[dogdoc]

wow y'all make it look so easy. What is the success rate on graph taking?

I grafted about a dozen pear and apple seedlings at home. I had all but 1 take. I grafted 4 apple seedlings in the field and they all took. It's very rare for a bark grafted persimmon to not take. Most of my persimmon grafts fail from being knocked off by critters or wind.

 

[wbpdeer]

Persimmon spring of 2017. DocDog I will need some scions. I will measure my native persimmon in the bottom field.

It sure looks fun - look forward to the hands on.

 

[dogdoc]

Persimmon spring of 2017. DocDog I will need some scions. I will measure my native persimmon in the bottom field.

It sure looks fun - look forward to the hands on.

Not a problem. I will give ya all you need.

 

[Bowtech64]

Looking for some late dropping persimmon scions. I have a ton of persimmon trees on my property but seem to drop early. Looking to try my hand at grafting. Looks very interesting. If anybody has any extra scions I would be interested in purchasing them.Thanks

 

[dogdoc]

Looking for some late dropping persimmon scions. I have a ton of persimmon trees on my property but seem to drop early. Looking to try my hand at grafting. Looks very interesting. If anybody has any extra scions I would be interested in purchasing them.Thanks

You just have to remind me next year when I collect scions. Usually late February or early March.

 

[jteeen]

Couple of questions:

What is the long term survival, structurally, of those bark grafted trees? Will they be weaker (thinking ice and wind in Oklahoma) over the long term since it's only on one side of the trunk? Will the cut area eventually fill in with new cambium/bark?

When you support it with a stick, is the stick taped to the tree, while also taped to the scion itself?

 

[dogdoc]

Couple of questions:

What is the long term survival, structurally, of those bark grafted trees? Will they be weaker (thinking ice and wind in Oklahoma) over the long term since it's only on one side of the trunk? Will the cut area eventually fill in with new cambium/bark?

When you support it with a stick, is the stick taped to the tree, while also taped to the scion itself?

The scion should eventually grow over the entire cut end and be a strong union. Since I am only in my 3rd year I can't give you any long term results.

The bamboo support is taped to the main tree and then I used garden tape or flagging tape to support the scion.

 

[Fish]

Those graft unions will become very strong. I could hardly tear apart (experiment) an apple bark graft after one year of growth.
Apples i get around 80% success. And i am sloppy compared to "professionals".
Persimmons are probably closer to 70% successful.

 

[Maya]

Well done Dogdoc, nice pics. I agree, most all of my rootstock grafts are whip and tongue.

 

[dogdoc]

Well done Dogdoc, nice pics. I agree, most all of my rootstock grafts are whip and tongue.

Thanks Maya. You are one if the main reasons I started playing with apple trees.

Welcome and hope you stick around and share your experience with us.

Todd

 

[Maya]

Thanks Todd, happy to spread the bug! Here's a Gala I grafted over to Zestar! 3 years ago. It's spitting out some beautiful apples this year. I think the Gala was in the ground for about 2 years.

 

[Maya]

These are some more I did this spring in my tall spindle orchard. (rind grafts) This pic was taken in early July, They've put on another foot or two since then.

 

[ts_13]

How long do y'all keep the new growth staked? My persimmon put on over 40" of growth first year and I am wondering how long to support it. Last thing I want is for it to break at the graft.

 

[dogdoc]

How long do y'all keep the new growth staked? My persimmon put on over 40" of growth first year and I am wondering how long to support it. Last thing I want is for it to break at the graft.

I take mine off anytime after they go dormant. Usually after deer season.

 

[ts_13]

So they are strong enough after the first year. That is amazing... too cool.....

 

[deer patch]

When is the best time to graft? Or did I miss that part.

 

[Fish]

They should be strong enough going into year two, but if in doubt, leave the stake on.

Grafting time for me is after the trees have leafed out and begun new growth. Right around May 1 in my neck of the woods. I tried one right at bud break this year and the bark would not slip. It tore in chunks. Too early. Doc may have a different "best" time.