Dozer or Skid/Track Steer

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  1. catscratch

    catscratch Well-Known Member

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    We hired a guy with a big dozer (I think it was a d8) to clear some creek-bottom for our power lines. He did exactly what that video shows by digging a hole and building a ramp for pushing. Very effective! Had a couple of trees he couldn't get so I grabbed the chainsaw and made a partial cut so he could push them over. He was quick and good, lots of fun to watch him work.
     
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  2. OkieKubota

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    Oh I’m learning...I dig 2 sides and push the dirt to the point I want to push and then raise the blade to get as high as I can on really large stuff. It’s getting a lot easier to take out large trees now as double L mentioned as the hours add up. I only work 2-3 hours at a time on our place for 2 reasons right now. 1. I am really enjoying what I am doing and short periods of time give big results on the dozer and 2. My new hitch for my truck isn’t in yet and if I get everything done too soon I will be wanting to push out more stuff than I should...lol.
    It’s much too wet and rains way too often right now to actually dig the pond so that will be a summertime activity...
     
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  3. Jack Terpack

    Jack Terpack Well-Known Member

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    This is how a pro does it.


     
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    I would have put one of those up but that equipment was not part of what the OP asked about...when we finally build our pond we will have one of those and a dump truck on site but the trees will have already long since been cleared by my case 550g...
     
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    I just couldn't resist. I like his videos because he explains why he does things certain ways. Even simple things can make jobs like this so much easier.
     
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    Dozers can take down trees much much easier than they can remove stumps of felled trees — maybe obvious but maybe not.
     
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    These two were my go to attachments. Tree puller would uproot Intire tree 16” and down pretty good. I would highly recommend it.
     
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  8. OkieKubota

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    But...they are better than a CTL on stumps but not nearly as good as a track hoe.
     
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  9. Triple C

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    Okie - There's something about you and a dozer that just goes together. Kinda like a dodge 2500 vs a Toyota Tacoma. I've personally never operated any of Brooks equipment. He's a surgeon on his equipment where I'd be a witch doctor. You'll be the same and probably already are on your dozer. Bet that thing replaces your bush hogging as your primary source of secondary income. You on a dozer vs a CTL just seems right. :D
     
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  10. OkieKubota

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    Thanks but Not today...snow shower right now followed by pretty much 100% rain through tomorrow. This is a picture from dining room window...if you look close you can see a skunk I caught last night in a live trap...doh

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    On a good note my B&W gooseneck hitch came in late yesterday evening so once this weather breaks and I can pull 1 of the GTO’s out of the shop and put my truck in I will start installing that. Yesterday I fixed the clutch master cylinder and slave cylinder on my little Nissan 4x4 I haven’t driven since 2014 so I could use it bumping around between jobs and you are right about the income. I got a dozer because everyone around here has a broken CTL grinder they tried to use on too big a tree. I know of 1 guy who does it as a business and they have 3 broken ones because his guys have tried to grind too big of trees with it. Everywhere you go here you see tracked CTL’s on trailers being used to mulch or drill holes for pole barns and move gravel...but the heavy lifting is being done by the dozer guys. I have a very good friend who is booked out a year right now with his Case 550G for new road construction and clearing land. He does this for a living and he has had Case 450, 550, 650, and 850 dozers as well as a Cat D7. He has a huge track home with thumb, 2 backhoes, and 2 small dump trucks. As far as dozers he now has the 550 and the D7...he told me the D7 will never leave his personal property again because it is much too big. He started on a 450 Case and then bought a 850 for his second one. He said it was too big and he couldn’t do some work he could do with the 450 due to space constraints and it was just too heavy and was stuck too often. He traded it for a 650 that seemed like too much weight for the power it had so he researched and found out the 550 had the same engine and less weight. They had bumped up the output of that little engine to use in the heavier machine but it was just hard on it and if it had a bigger engine it would have been a good dozer. He is now on his second 550 because the power matches to weight right and he can use it anywhere and even tow it behind his 3/4 ton or 1 ton truck on a triple axle trailer. The first week he brought it here to doze out fence rows out of solid woods and build our first plot he pulled it here with a 1997 Ford Dually with a reinforced bumper hitch on a yellow triple axle equipment trailer. The next time I had him out he pulled it with a 2002 model Ford F-250 with a gooseneck.

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    This photo is him building the pad for the home I am sitting in typing this now...


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    All this power talk of dozer, Webp.net-resizeimage.jpg skid steer and such. But just look at my little Kioti CK30 handling this mid major sweet gum!! After 7 inches of rain!!
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  12. OkieKubota

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    I need a tooth bar for my Kubota...always envied yours. Lol. I have pushed quite a few small trees out with my tractor, some go easy, some take a bit, some aren’t coming out no matter what with the tractor! It’s fun though but watch out for widow makers from above!
     
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    Are you talking about a removable toothbar to put on the bucket?
     
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    That's what I have but I NEVER remove it. It slides over the end of the bucket and is bolted at the sides. About 10 teeth make a difference in all types of jobs.
     
  15. jsasker007

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    I prefer my excavator over my dozers or skidsteers. Excavator is a little 50g but is my most useful piece after my tractor of course. I think I have enough projects for the excavator to last another 10 years or so-----seems that I can always find an excuse, I mean reason to use it for entire days at a time. Maybe I wouldn't use it so much if I wasn't married. Always looking for a reason to get some seat time.
     
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    Diesel Therapy....I dont know why or even how but most of my projects I end up with all the equipment there
     
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    No doubt I'm addicted to diesel therapy as you call it. Maybe because I can do what I want---what else can you say that about?
     
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    For you guys running a CTL, what would you say is the minimum hP needed for forestry work. Not sure how often I’d be using a mulcher, but I’d be using tree pullers, tree shear and the shredder

    I have any opportunity to buy a machine from the guy doing some work for me. It’s a beast of a machine 2018 Cat 299 D2. I don’t think I need 100+ hp, but not sure how much I actually need. A lot of what I’m clearing out are smaller elms and cedars 6” below. I’ve got some massive cedars, but I’ve got a guy from the cedar mill taking those.

    Its one of those things were you end up buying more than you need because you never want to be in a spot where you need more power and don’t have it. I just hate to spend the money for a bigger machine if I don’t have to. My plan is to keep for 2 years and then sell once I get most of the major work done. It’s cheaper than paying someone.

    I know that is easier said than done.


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  19. OkieKubota

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    I would say 90 hp+ for a CTL...you can get by with less on a dozer and take down stuff you never believed possible...I have had mine a year and a half now and it works most every dry day. I worked for a gent who has a sawmill who has 2 tracked bobcats in the 95 HP range...they would do a little work but my 75 HP Case did the mans portion of it. I watched him and his hand get thrown all over the place in it using the tree puller attachment. They got a few small trees out but I came behind them and got all the ones they mangled out. That 100 hp machine you are talking about is not far off as far as what you need...
     
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    Having worked at a Kubota dealer, 90hp+ is the best. Most skid steers aren’t designed to use the mulch head all day like some guys do. If it was up to me, I would get the extra cooler up on top of the machine to help keep the hydro fluid cooler. It helps, but between the hydraulic fluid getting hot from the mulch head and the vibration from it, it can wear a machine out pretty quick. If you use it occasionally, it isn’t bad. Get the “bullet proof” glass door and do not raise the bottom of the mulch head above the bottom of the door. Most equipment like that has a chain on it for safety so that you don’t go to high. Just about everyone that bought a ctl with some form of mulch head, pull the chain off and bad things can happen if you aren’t careful.


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