Crimson clover ?

Drycreek

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I normally plant wheat in the fall here, and some AWP for good measure. If I threw in a little crimson clover, what could I expect from it in terms of cold resistance, longevity, etc. Our winters don't get extremely cold but we will have lots of nights in the forties or below. I guess I'm looking for something that might last until summer. Educate me !
 
Crimson should work great for you. It will handle your winters easily, be heavily grazed winter and spring, then be a very effective re seeder.There are times in the late winter / early spring when crimson is the go to cultivar in the south. I've had crimson fields last for years with minimal maintenance.
 
Thanks Rusty, now....how much seed to the acre and would you leave out the winter peas ?
 
I've never had good luck with AWP. Doesn't work with my wet soils. If I am trying to establish crimson I'd plant 50 lbs/acre wheat and 15 lbs/acre crimson. This is great for a double cropped field that you intend to plant the following spring as the crimson is done by May. You also could go lighter with the crimson and add a ladino for longer season growth. Or mix a little arrow leaf that will last till August ish then can be replanted with small grains . Both the arrow leaf and crimson are vigorous re seeders.
 
Thanks again. I have a 3/4 acre plot in Trinity Co. that is pretty sandy and I don't know how well clovers are gonna do after it quits raining. That's why I was interested in the crimson as I have some growing on the highway right of way in front of my house. It reseeds every year but seems to have diminished in the last couple. I'm gonna try to plant between the rains this week if that's possible. Probably use feed store crimson if I can find it as I won't have time to order any. Again, thanks for your help !
 
I have planted crimson but have pretty much switched to a medium red. The crimson did great and survived our mild okie winter just fine. Was a very early spring producer. I saw very little forage use compared to the red and ladino that was planted with it. Heavy flowers and was very preferred by the pollinators. It was gone by middle spring and provided no summer forage. That is why I prefer red clover. It comes in strong mid spring and lasts all summer.
 
Same here. Crimson planted in the fall with grains doesn't even show up until spring when it's not needed. Fades before summer when it is needed. White clovers do it for us....haven't had any success with reds or arrowleaf.
 
I love crimson clover. It starts to show up in October (reseeded from previous year) and lasts until the beginning of May. I add 10 lb/acre with all my grains. Arrowleaf will get you through July here but it’s very aggressive and will take over a plot.
 
I'm a strong believer in Medium Red for the same reasons already mentioned. However, this year I mixed in some Crimson with my Clovers just to gain some more experience with it.

Below is pic taken today of a mixture of Crimson, Medium Red and Ladino planted by some wacky foodplotting rebel on July 27th this year when everyone knows you shouldn't be planting clover......unless...................

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Drycreek,

I am west of you in Van Zandt Co( still east texas) and have had good success on my sandy soils with crimson and arrow leaf

bill
 
I'm a believer in white clovers too, for the reasons already mentioned, but I've had little success with it on well drained soils, which most of my home plots are. On my other place I keep WINA clover plots and have since I've owned it. Out of about five acres of plots, an acre and a half is always in WINA clover. Can't beat it for attraction IMO,.......but I'm limited to what I've had experience with. I've watched the little bit on the road in front of my house for awhile now, and I'm gonna try it in several plots this fall along with wheat. We'll see what it does. If it fails to please, I still have the wheat and it was $50 for 50 lb. at my feed store, pre-innoculated. If that's all the money I waste on deer hunting this year I'll be lucky ! ;) I got my wheat covered this morning, three plots, and put clover on top of one, wheel rolled it with my Ranger, and had a nice rain on it about an hour after. I have a one acre plot and a half acre plot to plant a couple hours away from home, and I hope to get that Wednesday, which is the only day this week without forecasted rain. If I can get that in, I'm trying the clover there too. You can't win if you don't enter !:D
 
I planted crimson last year for the first time. It germinated and grew great and was absolutely beautiful the following spring. It definitely got grazed by the deer but the deer seemed to prefer medium red clover and ladino over the crimson.
 
I planted crimson last year for the first time. It germinated and grew great and was absolutely beautiful the following spring. It definitely got grazed by the deer but the deer seemed to prefer medium red clover and ladino over the crimson.

I think medium red clover will be on my radar. I have heard too many folks mention it so it must be worthwhile. Gonna read up on it a little more.
 
I think medium red clover will be on my radar. I have heard too many folks mention it so it must be worthwhile. Gonna read up on it a little more.
My red clover plot is actually getting hit harder right now than my ladino. A mixture of white/red may be something I try next fall
 
I think medium red clover will be on my radar. I have heard too many folks mention it so it must be worthwhile. Gonna read up on it a little more.

The areas where I have used medium red clover have been much more popular with the deer than any other clover. Very hardy plant with deep taproot for drought. Our late summer period is normally dry for a month or two. Where the tall broadleaf weeds and crabgrass grow seems to protect MRC from brouse pressure till dry weather. Then you can watch the MRC melt away as the deer hammer it hard. If planted with durana, the durana will choke out the MRC in a few years.
 
Lewi,
Do you reseed red clover or depend on it reseeding itself?
I did a mixture of white and red in my perennial plot which is in its 3rd year. Still have a good amount of red clover. It does reseed itself nicely.
I have not planted a warm season plot now in 2 years. I now add red clover in my fall annual planting and let the red clover be the work horse through the following spring and summer. I have always been a huge Eagle Soybean fan but as my deer population has increased the deer wipe out the beans before they can get established. The red clover over the last two years seems to be working just fine.
 
Lewi,
Do you reseed red clover or depend on it reseeding itself?
So far, my red clover has reseeded itself also. Where I have Durana previously I think the Durana will overcome the red in a year or two. I do like Doc in the above post and use red clover in my fall plots for my summer food. For the fall plantings of medium red clover I use 3 to 5 lb per acre (non coated raw seed) because it is always in a mix. That seems to give me fairly good coverage in the summer. The first summer I had MRC on 17 Acres of plots across the road from my neighbors 25-acre soybean field that he plants exclusively for the deer. The deer did not go into his bean field very much and instead of having 5 to 10 bushel beans in fall , area farmers estimated he could have cut 50 bushels to the acre the off his beans. I think the deer stayed on my side of the road that year!! Since then he has had a severe pigweed problem and planted corn so I don't know if the draw for red clover really works against soybeans or not. Maybe someone else can add to this.
 
Thanks for all the comments guys. I have a bag of medium red coming to finish planting some of my plots with as soon as this rain gets out of here. Not planting warm season plots appeals to me as there's no bare dirt period right when the deer could use nutrition to the max.
 
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