Clover Spring vs Fall?

[OkieKubota]

You are correct you can but from my experience the rye reaches maturity and dies out while the clover is still splitting nutrients between root building and above ground plant growth. If everything works in your favor and you are able to keep adequate moisture results are good but you will still notice the clover coming in better the 2nd year.

Some try to compensate for this by bumping up seeding rates for a fuller canopy but in the end the clover plants then fight for the nutrients between plants themselves causing less than ideal plant growth.


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Its all about getting it started Dan... Every time I spring plant clover it is into freshly dozed forest ground that hasn't ever even been fertilized or limed. I don't have weed problems/grass problems because it wasn't there. I am trying to get a head of dormant seed in the bank which is why I plant the rye grain and it nurses the clover just like fall planted... I also plant Barduro Red & Durana white at the same time on the same area because the red establishes earlier and gives me a great midsummer and fall plot and then the next year I have an amazing Durana white clover plot with some red mixed in because the Durana just takes the whole thing over...which is what I want...

 

[Smallplot]

Its all about getting it started Dan... Every time I spring plant clover it is into freshly dozed forest ground that hasn't ever even been fertilized or limed. I don't have weed problems/grass problems because it wasn't there. I am trying to get a head of dormant seed in the bank which is why I plant the rye grain and it nurses the clover just like fall planted... I also plant Barduro Red & Durana white at the same time on the same area because the red establishes earlier and gives me a great midsummer and fall plot and then the next year I have an amazing Durana white clover plot with some red mixed in because the Durana just takes the whole thing over...which is what I want...

All good info and specifically good at pointing out differences in seed bank.

Especially like the mixing of red and white to get a thicker canopy and allowing the white to naturally take over the stand.


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[X-farmerdan]

Its all about getting it started Dan... Every time I spring plant clover it is into freshly dozed forest ground that hasn't ever even been fertilized or limed. I don't have weed problems/grass problems because it wasn't there. I am trying to get a head of dormant seed in the bank which is why I plant the rye grain and it nurses the clover just like fall planted... I also plant Barduro Red & Durana white at the same time on the same area because the red establishes earlier and gives me a great midsummer and fall plot and then the next year I have an amazing Durana white clover plot with some red mixed in because the Durana just takes the whole thing over...which is what I want...

I wanted to ask, Okie, about when you plant in the spring, calendar date and how that might relate to days before (or after) the average frost free date for your area. I'm going to spring plant ladino and nurse it with oats. Now, here in Virginia, its time to do it. I have acquaintance's want to wait until early May, but it seems to me that's a recipe for disaster. In my view, in spring planting, timing isn't everything but its a lot and the window isn't very wide south of the Mason-Dixon.

 

[OkieKubota]

I always plant mid-end of February here in Oklahoma...it is still frosting here some mornings and some mornings I wake up to 60's...Oats can't take much frost but WR and clover certainly can...

 

[Jason Broom]

From my perspective, there are two key variables that must be taken into account when deciding how to establish a perennial clover plot. Is the soil bare and exposed, due to being tilled or following up a brassica plot from the prior year? Also, how late in the season is it where you're planting? If it's early in the year and you have a relatively bare soil surface to work with, frost-seeded clover is an option. If the soil needs some attention, and/or it's too late in the year for frost-seeding, plant buckwheat around 5/15 and establish the clover in a fall mix. It's just easier to be successful using that approach.

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