Chestnut leaf curl

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  1. mattpatt

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    Anyone know what is causing the leaves to curl up on some of my Chestnut trees?

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    I water them once a week with a slow drip type soaker hose so I don’t think it’s due to lack of water.

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    Any ag fields nearby? Looks like what happens to beans affected by dicamba drift.
     
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    Yes there is a ag field fairly close by but it has corn planted on it right now.


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    So lame. Farmers on newagtalk post about this happening every day. I can’t believe dicamba is still available after the cluster$&@& last year.
     
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    I saw a field of beans that looked like it had suffered dicamba damage last year. I finally caught up with the farmer this spring to ask him about it. He said an equipment rep Demo’d a new spray rig for him. He had previously sprayed dicamba through it. They followed the recommended rinse procedures, but rinsed 5 times instead of the 3 that they were supposed to. The farmer helped him do it, so he knows it got done. Still had damage. Cobra heads everywhere. He said his yield was half of what it should have been. It’s some nasty stuff......


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    Now I know why mine are curling!!! I thought it may have been too much water, not enough water, too much sun. You name it I thought it, except chemical damage.

    Will the affected trees survive?
     
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    In the link above, it didn't kill his trees. I have read quite a few articles on dicamba and the drift distance is amazing. Most of them describe a situation where the plants don't die unless they are directly sprayed with the chemical as opposed to drift. It almost always effects yields, and who knows what the long term effects on plants such as trees could be.
     
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    I don’t think you have to worry about them dieing. My large trees are already putting on new growth. It did however knock the small ones back a bit.


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    If you were a big farmer fighting glyphosate resistant pigweeds you might have a different perspective on why it is still available.


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    I’m not so sure about that. I’m not too excited about spraying chemicals that can volatize 48 hours after application and kill my neighbors stuff half a mile away.

    Edit: But your point is valid. Weed resistance is an important issue. And maybe dicamba is not to blame for everything that it has been blamed for recently, but there clearly is an issue with this chemical.
     
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    While some studies do indicate some dicamba volatility within the treated area, there are no controlled studies that indicate there is enough volatility leaving the treated area to cause issues. A lot of talk and speculation but no data. There are, no doubt, issues with application and not following the application requirements as required by the label.


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    I wonder if it's an Ester or Amine formulation. Ester is way too volatile to spray in high temps. Usually each county will have spraying restrictions as in spraying when the wind is over 10 mph etc.. when spraying a phenoxy herbicide. He may have used an Ester formulation which is way more likely to volatilize and do damage down wind. If he did that is not in compliance with the label in summertime temps and he may be liable for damages.
     
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    I believe you are thinking about 2,4-D which is another Auxin herbicide but still very different from dicamba. The three formulation salts of dicamba offered on the market today are the DMA (dimethylamine), DGA (diglycoamine) and the newest salt, BAPMA (Bisaminopropyldimethylamine).

    Only two formulations are labeled and registered to be used over the top of dicamba tolerant soybeans and cotton (Xtend crops). Those formulations are either the DGA salt with the VaporGrip volatility reducing additive or the BAPMA salt.


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    What about farmers spraying it over pasture land for hay production? This is what I think for me. I am close to an ag field but it is planted in corn and cotton. Two crops you’d probably not want to spray dicamba on.

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    Could very well be from a pasture application and all formulations of dicamba and 2,4-D are labeled for that use as far as I know. Dicamba can certainly be used in corn and the formulations I mention above can be used in Xtend cotton as well.
     
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    I guess whoever did it is a mute point. It’s done. Nothing I can do. It really set back my young trees. The older trees had some leaf curl also but they are already putting on new leaves. The smaller trees are just hanging on to what is already there and not putting on any new growth.


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    Yeah your right I think they may have sprayed 2-4-D in an ester formulation and it's volatilizing and drifting. There are a lot of products for pasture weed control with 2-4-D & dicamba and or MCPA / MCPP or triclopyr in them but it's the 2-4-D that if it's an ester it gasses off In high temps. If it's an amine it wouldn't have drifted as far unless it was sprayed in a wind storm which most people know you can't do that.
    Matt you ought to let him know that whatever he sprayed is damaging plants on your land.That would suck to have chestnuts producing and he's out spraying thistle in '90 degree weather with a volatile product.
     
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    How are your trees doing?
     
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    Sorry just now saw this. Most of the trees bounced back. I had a couple of two year old trees that it bit back pretty hard. They all survived but the young trees didn’t grow very much this year.

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