Acorn draw

Jerry D

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As I wrote this. I have a trail camera monitering a dozen or so mature red oaks to find the answer but I don't want to wait until the spring. I will leave the camera out though until the spring to moniter though.

Prior to this forum it never occurred to me what type of draw acorns can have. Ive got 500 1 gallon air pruned oak seedlings to plant next fall and another 250 for the following year on the way from a local nursery.

That being said. I've got the perfect place to plant. A red pine forest that had been harvest and lots of sunlight is getting to the forest floor.

What can you tell me about the the drop times of acorns and how long deer eat them.

Thanks!
 
I have no idea what to expect in your area....in my area different oak tree types tend to mature at different times with lots of overlap. The deer seem to like the white oak family acorns more than the reds, but I think they will eat whatever is available and in a location they feel safe. In my area Chinkapin oak seem to be ready first and then white oak and then bur oak. Northern red oak falls in there as well, but all the acorns on my place tend to fall within a window of about a month or even less. Now - that may just be my area...I don't know. Now as for how long the deer will eat them.....I think deer will eat them as long as they are available. White oak members will try to germinate in the fall. Bugs, turkey, rodents, squirrels, coons and other critters will also gobble up acorns as well. So acorns only tend to last for a short time on the ground before either something eats them or they simply deteriorate to the point of not being of interest to deer. They can simply rot if they don't germinate as well....they won't last forever.

Most folks look for that late dropping oak - as that seems to be the golden goose of deer habitat. That "gotta have it" food source in limited supply late in the year when deer are very active any way. I'm no oak expert and I am not sure just how much we can manipulate when oak trees drop their acorns. My opinion is that it would be tied to some sort of seasonal change and that even if you took an oak from my place and it dropped in mid October here.....it may drop earlier for you...being further north the seasonal changes may trigger that process sooner.....I would think. Keep in mind the oak tree is dropping a seed and as such they would be best off to drop when the conditions are best for those seeds to germinate....that is what they are trying to do. I'm not saying you can;t have an oak drop in December, but I have never seen one....at least not here. Maybe in the deep south....but not in my area. Also consider oaks "flower" and can be crops can be hindered by late frosts ad the like as well.

I'm not sure if I helped or not, but if your interested in hard mast production I would focus on species that are best suited for the location and soil types. Those trees will produce best for you and deer have been surviving in Canada long before people where trying to cater to their needs. typically speaking members of the white family will try to produce a crop every year and members of the red oak family will try to produce every two years. None of that is written in stone and like I mentioned environmental conditions can easily alter and affect the acorn crop production from one year to the next. As such I would suggest a mixture of both red and white family members to try to avoid a total crop failure. And like I said plant the species native to your area on the soils best suitable for that species. Forcing a red oak to grow where a re oak doesn't want to grow is almost as frustrating as not having one there at all.
 
Not sure what in that area are the varieties. I certainly would want more than one type as any or all hard mast producers can fail in a given season. Here, typically Chestnut oak is first to fall, sometimes as early as late Aug. thru most of fall. Whites and Red begin late Sept thru late fall. Whites tend to be 2-3 yrs on heavy production and Reds produce every two years. But typically any oak can produce some each year. The reds actually can retain some of their crop until they reach maturity the following year after dropping . Black oaks which do well on dry rocky soils again produce biannual but are an excellent acorn for overwintering and providing great spring feed for variety of reasons.

Many insects and diseases are affecting many varieties of oaks so I certainly would want a variety not a monoculture. There are a variety of a dozen plus types of oaks and each has specific characteristics.

I can tell you this, if you have a well located mature/50-100 year old white oak that is producing then you best have a stand near by. A money maker. I once hunted a property that had such a tree and I killed a dozen nice bucks over 15 years that were headed to that tree. Almost wasn't fair. I cried when the loggers took it down.
Read the thread The Mighty Acorn
I don't get a kickback on that thread:cool:, just has a bunch of plagiarized info pages long you might can apply.
 
Nice work on planting oaks Jerry! Much like the Might Acorn thread says a diversity of White and red oaks is very beneficial. Where I'm at in Nebraska it doesn't seem to be specific family (red/white) that drops first. Generally the White oak , bur oak, dwarf and regular chinkapin are dropping first in the white family then red oak and black from the red family, then to Swamp white oak, and shingle oak are one of the last in my area.
The big thing with the difference in oaks is the tannic acid found in the acorns. Whites are lower in tannic acid making them the preferred acorn of deer because they are sweeter but that also causes them to rot much quicker and will rarely make it into winter time. Reds are higher in tannic acid making them a little more bitter but allowing them to stay viable much longer into the winter or even early spring.
https://greatplainsnursery.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Oak-Trees-on-Hunting-Ground.pdf
Let me know if that link doesn't work I can copy and paste it if needed.
Happy planting!
 
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