2017 La. bucks

Baker,
Very impressive deer. Do you have a sense has to how much supplemental feeding has impacted your antler size? Also, does anyone have experience with joint vetch in northern states? Are there any herbicides such as raptor that will kill common weeds but not harm it? I'm always looking for a new addition to the buffet line.
I think supplemental feeding a 20% protein ration the way we do it improves antler quality 10-15% in bucks 4 and older. Also improves fawn survival, the maternal effect which expresses itself thru improved epigenetic responses which continue to accrue benefits over time. The result is the entire bell curve of our bucks have improved over time. We have been feeding 20-25 years...I'm a little afraid too try and remember!

I've never used any herbicides on vetch but would be interested if anyone has experience.
 
One more question about Aeschynomene as well:

Could I plant it now? I've got one field that is bare dirt because the cowpeas were decimated.


I kinda doubt it would be worth the expense. Vetch is slow to develop and I question how much growth you would get. Plus it likes moisture which might be in short supply late summer.

Another option might be sunn hemp. Grows like crazy, likes it hot, very drought hardy, legume fixing nitrogen, great om, and the deer may figure it out in time to graze it some. Will last till frost or can be a great green manure for fall planting.
 
Beautiful bucks.

Baker, do you mind explaining more how joint vetch fits into your summer program? I plan on getting away from pea/bean based plots because the deer eat them too quickly. Arrowleaf clover and chicory get me to August, but I need something to bridge the gap from August to fall plots.
Have you tried Alyce clover. It works great in place of beans and peas and I know it grows well in South Carolina. Also Aeshynomene works well also. I plant both because they work really well for throw n mow. Once the deer figure out they can eat it they get on it. Very easy to grow also.
 
I think supplemental feeding a 20% protein ration the way we do it improves antler quality 10-15% in bucks 4 and older. Also improves fawn survival, the maternal effect which expresses itself thru improved epigenetic responses which continue to accrue benefits over time. The result is the entire bell curve of our bucks have improved over time. We have been feeding 20-25 years...I'm a little afraid too try and remember!

I've never used any herbicides on vetch but would be interested if anyone has experience.
I have sprayed grasses in mine with Cleth and it works great.
 
Glad to see some one besides me uses Alyce Clover and Aeshynomene. I never see anyone talk about it and it works really great for me. Plus if you have a spot that stays damp the aeshynomene loves it.
 
I think this one is either 6 or 7. Hasn't grown much in last couple years though he did add that nontypical pointIMG_0009.JPG
 
Impressive! Age is a beautiful thing. Most of us will never have the chance to see a 6.5 yr old buck on our place. Just too much hunting pressure. We can get them to 3.5 and the occasional 4.5 but have yet to harvest a 5 yr old or better. Having all that nutrition must surely help with the antler size. Good stuff Baker!
 
Impressive! Age is a beautiful thing. Most of us will never have the chance to see a 6.5 yr old buck on our place. Just too much hunting pressure. We can get them to 3.5 and the occasional 4.5 but have yet to harvest a 5 yr old or better. Having all that nutrition must surely help with the antler size. Good stuff Baker!
CCC,
Hell on my private property I can't get one over 1.5 except at night on cam. They shoot them big tall little small around here. All I can do is keep working my ground and improving it hoping they will visit my little 22 acres more than everywhere else. I am improving as I can so one day I believe it's possible. Then maybe I can start seeing older deer during daylight. The only deer I have taken so far were two does. One each year I have owned the property at the end of season. I am fortunate that the property behind mine is not hunted so I can hunt the property line and not worry. I don't shoot across it. That would not be right but I would shoot them close to it on my side.
 
We got one picture of this guy last year and he wasn't seen all season. My buddy and I caught him in a clover field at dark a couple of weeks ago and finally got a pic of him this year. great mass and beautiful frame. Best guess 5 yr old. MDGC0020.JPG
 
I have no doubt, you can take a lot of credit for the size of those bucks. Even considering age - those are great bucks. Our bucks are on the way downhill at 6.5 years old. You may well be right about the protien feed adding 10-15% to your bucks. I read a study from Mississippi State U that showed protien feed did not improve the first generation deer very much but showed a big improvement on the second generation. I think you are experiencing that. A lot of folks provide high protien plant food sources like beans and clover, as I do, but we do not experience gains in antler quality - more gains in attracting numbers of deer. In addition, the fact that your neighbors allow those deer to age is also a rare thing in the south. How many acres do you have and how many protien feeders do you have out. What protien feed do you use? If you dont want to give out trade secrets - I fully understand. ;)
 
I have no doubt, you can take a lot of credit for the size of those bucks. Even considering age - those are great bucks. Our bucks are on the way downhill at 6.5 years old. You may well be right about the protien feed adding 10-15% to your bucks. I read a study from Mississippi State U that showed protien feed did not improve the first generation deer very much but showed a big improvement on the second generation. I think you are experiencing that. A lot of folks provide high protien plant food sources like beans and clover, as I do, but we do not experience gains in antler quality - more gains in attracting numbers of deer. In addition, the fact that your neighbors allow those deer to age is also a rare thing in the south. How many acres do you have and how many protien feeders do you have out. What protien feed do you use? If you dont want to give out trade secrets - I fully understand. ;)

Sorry for the slow reply. I was in Colorado escaping the heat but returned to batten down for Harvey,

I've seen the Ms. studies and know the folks that did them. I can elaborate in exhaustive detail about long term nutrition, epigenetic shifts, the maternal effect, social and stress pressure and how it all starts with the soil. I'll spare you though it is fascinating stuff .

My neighbor and friend from childhood has the farm adjoining me and together we have~ 2500 acres. We have been managing the property for wildlife for nearly 40 yrs. We have been feeding protein for 20 + years... I forget exactly. We have been growing food plots essentially from the beginning and probably have 250 acres between us.For over 30 years we were frustrated with the results we achieved. Despite doing everything we could dream of we weren't getting deer to the older age classes nor growing the quality of bucks I was able to hunt in S. Tx.

We had hunters with blinds overhanging our fences, neighbors turning deer dogs thru the farm and and year round perimeter pressure. Finally I had enough. About 10 yrs ago I began game fencing my perimeter then my neighbor connected and we put the entirety of the farm under a game fence finishing about 6 yrs ago. Best decision I ever made... short of my wife. It changed everything. Within a few years we started getting older class bucks and I believe we starting reaping the years of nutritional enhancement as the deer aged.Now we realize 100% of our management inputs ...good or bad. The hunting is just as challenging as ever but the quality of the herd we are hunting is incomparable

Today on my 1350 acres I have a protein feeder per 60 acres with my neighbor about the same. we feed from late winter thru August. Our feed is a proprietary blend I created that we buy from our local mill. I'm happy to share details if interested though it is more expensive than most commercial feeds. We include digestives, probiotics , essential oils and other potions that help with digestion, paracites and insects. Most commercial rations are good enough .

We grow year round food plots and after 40 years have gotten pretty good at it. Something is growing year round everywhere. I believe that we are seeing the effects of 3 to 4 generations of enhanced nutrition. Even though we didn't grow many big bucks years back because they were being killed young we still had the maternal effect creating the epigenetic response to the environment. Another thing I believe happens as deer are on a higher nutritional plane is that they live longer and can continue to improve in later years. Without question I have seen that on the ranch in Mexico.

Beyond the above we do all the things that stewardship propose. I am thinning 265 acres of hardwood now and there is some TSI every year. We place tremendous emphasis on herd management including ratio's, age structure, recruitment, etc. talk about it year round. While I don't believe culling has any effect on the genetic structure of a herd we do begin removing the lower end of the bucks starting at 4 yrs old. Most of the bucks we remove make the hunters really happy. We don't start hunting the trophies till they are at least 6 which means we find some % dead in the woods or simply disappear.

No trade secrets; happy to share anything.It's all a bit of a dream come true to live on the farm, get to be on it daily and watch the magnificence of nature.
 
Pretty pic I think.


RAIN,RAIN,RAIN. After the wettest August I can remember Harvey has arrived. Looks like rain for 5 or 6 days straight. Should get over 10" . However I am humbled when I see the news and what all my friends in Houston are going thru.

I guess prepping for fall plots pales when considering the plight of those realizing Harvey's full force.

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