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Thanks I appreciate the feedback. That's about what I figured. I haven't got my hands on the Mossberg yet. Hopefully U can find one local. Thanks again.

I live in Ohio and am getting a 450. I'm on a budget so I'm between the Ruger predator and the Mossberg Patriot. I've read a lot that suggests that the only real difference is the price. Anyone have any first hand knowledge of these guns or anything more than, "oh well I read this..." Thanks