Ist Time Plot Question & Other Advice

I transplanted 25 pine trees today into my golden rod. I sure hope they survive. It was a lot of work. I'm thinking about planting some autumn olives because I have access to as much of the stuff as I want. I've heard bad things about it being invasive, but I need to provide as much cover as possible on this small acreage and it might just be the trick. Thoughts?

Autumn olive is an excellent fall food source for grouse, and yes - it is invasive - but that battle is long since over.

At least it is beneficial for many game species. Could have been invaded by much worse!


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Looks like you are working hard to make that place great. Impressive. Conifers are a huge plus especially on smaller properties. And PA has a little bit of winter.;) As for the AO, do not, do not plant those. There are many more better choices for wildlife that grow just as well and form just as much as a bedding or screening area than those bastards. They allow no understory and virtually no wildlife food.. Check in with varieties of dogwoods such as RO, or silky, or grey ,or hazelnuts just to name a few. If you plant AO, Geo will probably show up to destroy them himself. LOL. Great place, and good luck.
 
Autumn olive is an excellent fall food source for grouse, and yes - it is invasive - but that battle is long since over.

At least it is beneficial for many game species. Could have been invaded by much worse!


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The battle to keep AO out of our country was lost long ago, but the "war" to create quality habitat goes on as long as we're willing to keep fighting. Every AO bush replaced with something native and beneficial is another battle won...in a never-ending war.

What if the USDA and FDA approved GMO American Chestnut trees, and every lost ash is replaced with an AC? Same concept: The original battles to save the AC and ash tree were lost, but there are always new battles to fight. The only question is how much fight do we have in us? :)
 
Typically better to transplant when a tree is dormant and you can do a lot better than autumn olive.

I've had my best luck planting and transplanting in September, but I've never done it with pines before. I'm keeping my fingers crossed. It took two days to get the 25 trees transplanted.

Looks like you are working hard to make that place great. Impressive. Conifers are a huge plus especially on smaller properties. And PA has a little bit of winter.;) As for the AO, do not, do not plant those. There are many more better choices for wildlife that grow just as well and form just as much as a bedding or screening area than those bastards. They allow no understory and virtually no wildlife food.. Check in with varieties of dogwoods such as RO, or silky, or grey ,or hazelnuts just to name a few. If you plant AO, Geo will probably show up to destroy them himself. LOL. Great place, and good luck.

I'm trying but have limited resources and even less patience. :D I'm on my second year of tinkering with the limited resources I have and I'd really like to get something established that grows and spreads quickly. I got the fruit trees established last year, and the food plot this year. Now the pines and hopefully I can add a few chestnut trees this fall. Dogwoods are our state tree so they're not allowed to be dug up. They're kind of pricey for my budget as well. I would probably need to plant several of them. I have about two acres that's golden rod now I'm trying to get it established with some form of bedding cover. This patch of golden rod is currently over my head, but it will be laid flat when the snow arrives. That's why I planted the pines there, but I'll probably be dead before they reach a size that's beneficial for the deer. :(
 
I've had my best luck planting and transplanting in September, but I've never done it with pines before. I'm keeping my fingers crossed. It took two days to get the 25 trees transplanted.



I'm trying but have limited resources and even less patience. :D I'm on my second year of tinkering with the limited resources I have and I'd really like to get something established that grows and spreads quickly. I got the fruit trees established last year, and the food plot this year. Now the pines and hopefully I can add a few chestnut trees this fall. Dogwoods are our state tree so they're not allowed to be dug up. They're kind of pricey for my budget as well. I would probably need to plant several of them. I have about two acres that's golden rod now I'm trying to get it established with some form of bedding cover. This patch of golden rod is currently over my head, but it will be laid flat when the snow arrives. That's why I planted the pines there, but I'll probably be dead before they reach a size that's beneficial for the deer. :(
Funny your comment on living long enough for results, we all think that. Pines will grow 3-6 feet a year so really good choice on them. And yep bunch of work planting trees. You might check with your state nursery as they typically have trees for just a few dollars apiece. I think my dogs were just under 2$ as were the hazelnuts. The nice thing about these trees you can plant a few and then get them to sucker along the ground to provide more trees and thickets.
I love goldenrod for screening and it holds up well into hunting season. But personally I seldom see deer bed in it here. Your results might be different.
 
I love goldenrod for screening and it holds up well into hunting season. But personally I seldom see deer bed in it here. Your results might be different.
Hunting goldenrod fields can be hotter than hot during the chase phase of the rut. Those poor does are so exhausted from being harassed by bucks that they'll hide like rabbits in goldenrod in an attempt to escape the barrage of bucks that will run them to death. They will hunker down and won't move until bucks practically step on them. I've seen bucks working goldenrod fields that they know holds does, but the does will remain bedded in an attempt to get a few extra seconds of needed rest. Even the thickest of woods aren't thick enough to visually hide does from bucks. Bucks can't see them in thick fields like they can see them in the woods. And I assume that under certain weather conditions, it's harder for bucks to wind does, just like some days are less conducive for bird dogs finding birds in thick fields. Places like goldenrod, switchgrass, and standing corn to a lesser extent can be excellent bedding areas during the chase phase.
The problem with trying to bow hunt goldenrod is that there's seldom trees to get stands into. Try to find travel routes on the edges of those fields, but even then, you might spend the day watching bucks that are out of shooting range.
 
Deer do bed in the small patch of golden rod while it's there, but by February it's laid flat under the snow and offers nothing. Most of the property is covered with these bushes. The berries are purple now but turn white. What is it? Every time I try to post pictures they turn sideways.
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If we get even just a little bit of an Indian summer, you're going to be very happy with how that turns out! :)
 
It depends on the weed and the chemical.

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I'm going to buy a sprayer over the winter. When is the best time to spray?
If you are talking about using a post emergence type spray like Glyphosate, then (most) weeds need to young and growing. Some weeds like yellow rocket emerges really early (March in my zone) and other weeds like ragweed (my deer eat it so I don't kill it) or hairy galensoga emerge later.
Japanese Knotweed and milkweed require a different approach.
Grasses are similar in that they emerge at different times of the season.

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I have no idea. Guessing mostly grasses? I guess I'll have to wait and see?
It seems obvious, but the 1st step is being able to accurately identify broadleaf weeds, grasses, etc. Take sedge for example...I'd venture to say that the majority of people would look at sedge and call it "grass". Sedge ain't grass, so a grass specific herbicide won't kill it.
Even if you don't plan to start your weed war until next year, you don't have "to wait and see" what weeds you have. Start learning what they are now and you'll be more prepared when the time comes next season. The book "Weeds of the Northeast" is a pretty good reference for Pa, but there are lots of them that are not covered in that book. I doubt that there is one single book that would show all weeds because new ones invade periodically.
And don't get hung-up on having perfectly clean plots. There are lots of "weeds" out there that are more desirable to deer than some of the stuff we plant.
 
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