DRandall90
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That's not really the truth at all though.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/...-1918-spanish-flu-pandemic-coronavirus/#close
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That's not really the truth at all though.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/...-1918-spanish-flu-pandemic-coronavirus/#close
Mennoniteman
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Your article makes my point exactly, quarantine some cities like NY where all the cases are, but not the entire nation.
DRandall90
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Maybe I misunderstood your post. I'm not following exactly what you are trying to say. I read your post to read that you feel this is the first time we have told people in general that they should stay at home and quarantine which is not true on it's face. Some of the worst outbreaks in my neck of the woods are in rural areas and manufacturing and processing plants.
Based on your statement here, are you saying quarantine major cities but not rural areas?
The article is pretty pointed on how the areas that quarantined and social distanced early had significantly lower death rates, including closing schools and canceling public gatherings.
Mennoniteman
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Yeah, I wasn't intending a long diatribe. In the past health officials identified areas of disease and had enforced quarantines in a city or rural area, whereever the illness was. Pennsylvania has had a blanket shutdown that's largely unenforced, the honest people stay home and the unethical don't. There's a dozen counties that have zero deaths and almost no cases. More tracing, and enforced quarantines in the concentrated pandemic areas, and allowing people to work common sense jobs like construction in the dozen counties with no deaths would have been more effective. In Pennsylvania we have clearly seen politics interjected in some of the decisions that have been made. However, it's easy to be a back seat quarterback in this pandemic where there are no easy decisions.
Buckly
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this seems to be the current strategy that’s going to be used. Here in NY they say they’re going the regional approach more rural upstate will be opening (stages). While NYC remains locked down.
Elkaddict
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One size clearly does not fit all. My mountain hideaway is in a county with 33 cases. My actual residence (45 miles north of Gotham) is approaching 28,000 cases. Same rules should not apply....as the risks are different. I personally think the lock down continues to make sense in NYC and for those working there. I know dozens of people with confirmed cases, some of whom have lost family members. Those who have had it all report having never been so sick in their entire life.... Political decisions with incomplete information will always be second guessed.....and I think we still don’t know what we don’t know. Just my 0.02.
DRandall90
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I agree, you also have to weigh the amount of expected cases with the amount of readily available healthcare in the area.
Western Minnesota for example didn't have a ventilator within 80 miles until recently. The "hospital" that serves that region didn't own one. So there is some of that to also consider.
Buckly
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You point out one of the biggest mysteries. Why some get so sick and others barely or none at all. I don’t know dozens because I’m not near an urban area but the half dozen or so I’m aware of, only one has become extremely sick. All have recovered though. My County of 130,000 has only 3 active cases out of 31 total positive. Somewhere close to 700 have come back negative. For some unknown reason that I hope we will know someday is why NYC is just not like the rest of the Country. There is talk from some experts. That the West coast has a different strain that came out of China while the East coast strain came out of Europe that may have slightly changed for the worse. Mystery.
Jack Terpack
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My only contact with anyone that has been "tested" positive is very suspicious. One was a 92 year old member of our church. She has been in and out of the hospital many times over the past two years. She had colon cancer surgery about a year ago and it did not go well. She was admitted to the hospital 4 weeks ago. They tested her at that time and she came back negative. She passed away while in the hospital and her case was listed as corona virus related complications. BULL. The other case was a friends mother who has been on "Do not recusitate" for a couple years due to severe alzheimer's. She passed away and again it was listed as corona virus complications. These happened 100 miles apart in different hospitals. I don't believe the numbers we are being fed every day. I am 72 years old and am under doctor's care for COPD and have been for 10 years. I am one of the most vulnerable. OR so I'm told. I do not and will not walk around with a mask on. I do not believe this is any worse than the seasonal flu's that they report every danged year, and have for the past 50 years that I personally know of. They can take their Chinese Flu and shove it where the sun don't shine.
dogghr
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Then the taxpayers there need to be asking why?? Why no ventilators?? For goodness sake I live in the most rural state in the east. We supposedly are so unhealthy , have poor healthcare , poor hospital standards ,ignorant inbred population , etc. Yet we had the ventilators, the empty hospitals beds , half the blue collar state still working thru this. Yet we stayed below 3 % infection rate. 34 deaths all of which were compromised patients.
Minnesota has no excuse. And my opinion neither does some of the rest of the heavily infected areas.
Just like shortage of PPE. WHY? We knew this crap was on its way long before it got here. My business was already stocked for 8 mo in preparation of what was to happen, if it did happen.
And as a result of head in the sand or poor planning or just stupidity , this whole country will now pay dearly emotionally and economically for along time. Much small business and some large business will simply not survive and that will hurt all. Like said above... I’m pissed ... at the stupidity that allowed govt to take control of all our movements. You can go to Lowe’s and buy mulch w your government bailout ck but you can’t go to church or keep your business running. God bless America, where’s the Tylenol?!
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Mennoniteman
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You know how cold it gets in Minnesota? They may only have one or two months out of a year where it's thawed enough to go get ventilators. BTW, inbred or not, West Virginia would be high on my list of places to move to if I were looking.
weekender21
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The difference in how severe the symptoms are is interesting but isn’t that consistent with other viruses? I know less than a dozen confirmed cases and all had/have mild to no symptoms.
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DRandall90
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Western Minnesota is extremely rural. The hospital I am referring to simply just doesn't have the money to afford a ventilator. It was in danger of going under before all this started.
I don't disagree with you that we should have been way more prepared than this. It's not that we (MN) doesn't have the resources available, it was more a declaration on the state of the health care industry when rural hospitals can't afford necessary supplies.
MN has the largest manufacturer of PPE (3M) housed here, as well as the largest manufacturer of ventilators (Medtronic) housed here, and one of the top hospital systems in the Mayo clinic. We should be able to provide these things to hospitals within our own state.
Mennoniteman
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SE Pa, there's very few confirmed cases in our area, and those have been mild. An interesting tidbit, a lot of the locals around here are 100% convinced that our area has achieved immunity because many people have had COVID19 last November and December, all the way into January, a very bad flu was going around and the people who were ill say they were never that sick from the flu before. And there is a local world famous genetic doctor who has a DNA testing lab who agrees with them.
I agree!
weekender21
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Some are saying the same thing about Hawaii. It would be odd that Hawaii didn’t get it early.
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