Doe only talk again?

[Terrific_tom]

Not naïve. When the NRB takes away your counties ability to manage the deer numbers and turns it back to the DNR don't say you weren't warned. Like I said there isn't a 40 acre parcel in Waupaca county that at least 2 does should be taken and a lot more in a lot of the parcels including yours. You could kill 16 does on your 320 acres and you would not even notice a difference in deer numbers.

 

[Bullwinkle]

No way Tom. I know guys with 40 acres and hardly see 2 does. I am not bsing. One is a good friend. Has 120 acres just outside Iola. Hardly saw a deer.

 

[Terrific_tom]

No way Tom. I know guys with 40 acres and hardly see 2 does. I am not bsing. One is a good friend. Has 120 acres just outside Iola. Hardly saw a deer.

Not seeing doesn't mean they are not there. Some people just are not good hunters.

 

[Bullwinkle]

We can agree on that - got some great neighbors like this

There are also very few deer drives and QDM continues to grow. Thus deer don't move like they used to.

The Dnr has to find ways to help guys with too many deer and not catch the ones who like their population in the cross fire.

Btw- if I took 16 does on my farm I would screw up my property for years. I bet I that would cut the deer population in 1/2 to 1/3- completely stupid move

 

[Kabic]

What is funny is you have the DNR cost sharing the fence you put up so you can get good regen. What do you think the DNR gets out of this proposition? They get to document the crappy regen outside the fence versus the great regen in the fence. They are then going to load up and use that as proof that the deer population is too high.

You don't want the DNR to come in say the population is too high which WILL lead to sharpshooter, but your helping them gather the data they need to do it.

 

[Bullwinkle]

Fair observation.

DNR had been on my land routinely. My browse is actually reasonable except in a few spots. I actually can find oak regen but not like without deer. This is just a best practice the Dnr promotes to regen oaks. They are not taking data but asked to use this to teach others if it works. I'll probably be hosting some tours to help others down the road. It will be interesting to see inside vs outside the fence.

This is a really neat 40 I am doing this on. I just want oaks for the next generation is why I am doing this. Plus I am making awesome diversity and bedding areas and it's fun

 

[Terrific_tom]

We can agree on that - got some great neighbors like this

There are also very few deer drives and QDM continues to grow. Thus deer don't move like they used to.

The Dnr has to find ways to help guys with too many deer and not catch the ones who like their population in the cross fire.

Btw- if I took 16 does on my farm I would screw up my property for years. I bet I that would cut the deer population in 1/2 to 1/3- completely stupid move

If you can't shoot 2 does a year on a 40 on your property Bull some one is either poaching them or your caretaker is shooting them. 1st you say you don't care if you have oak regen in Waupaca county just a few posts ago now you say you want oak regen for the next generation. What the heck is it or are you just trolling again.

 

[Bullwinkle]

Oak regen isn't a reason to kill deer. There are other ways to get oak regen if you want and guess what oaks will be here long after we are gone.

I planted norways because guess what. Deer don't eat them.

You need to get a parcel in Waupaca county -I'd bet your perspective would change. It's a great county for deer hunting.

 

[Terrific_tom]

I have a property 30 to 40 miles to the north of you Bull in Langlade county. I can shoot 2 does a year on my 40 with out any reduction of the population and the DPSM is under what is recommended by the DNR. Oh and I have at least one sometimes two 150 plus bucks a year on my property. Reduce your deer numbers on your property so there is less stress on your bucks and that un-attainable 150 buck might just be yours or just stop the poaching or have your caretaker quit shooting your big bucks.

 

[Bullwinkle]

Sounds like you're living the dream. Why do you stick you're nose so hard into Waupaca county?

Most are happy in Waupaca county. Why do you think the high school was filled to kill the doe only idea??

Hey man, I could give a rip on what you do in Langlade and surely wouldn't get so worked up I call someone I don't know names.

Sounds to me you should should feel blessed with what you have. I do just don't want some outsider or govt telling what to do if it's not hurting anyone. Seem reasonable????

 

[Terrific_tom]

Why because Wisconsin gave all Wisconsin counties a chance to manage the deer numbers in each county. Waupaca county deer hunters are going to screw it up for all deer hunters in the state of Wisconsin by their greed for surplus deer numbers. Just remember when the NRB comes down with the hammer on Waupaca county and makes it a doe only or brings in the sharp shooters you have no one to blame but your self. Oh and by the way you started the thread not me. Have a wonderful day.

 

[Bullwinkle]

Come on man. You're smarter than that. One county screw up whatever you have going in langlade.

Doesn't even make sense. Feel happy for what you have man, you'll sleep better

 

[Terrific_tom]

Come on man. You're smarter than that. One county screw up whatever you have going in langlade.

Doesn't even make sense. Feel happy for what you have man, you'll sleep better

So if a disease breaks out in Waupaca county because of the over population what the heck do you think will happen with Langlade county only 30 miles away. How can you call yourself a land manager. You don't manage by greed you manage by science. Your greed to have a boat load of deer is clouding your common sense.

 

[Bullwinkle]

I've owned my farm since '05

We have less deer today than the time between '05-'09 or so. It's just now coming back. Waupaca has led in deer harvest/population in WI like forever.

No disease. You sure your not overreacting? This isn't anything new that Waupaca has a lot of deer in fact most locals say the population is much lower today frim the effects of EAB

Curious. How may deer do you see per sit Tom. What's your expectation for a good sit vs bad. I like seeing deer. Don't kill many. Pass a lot. Expect to see deer every sit. Had one sit last year that I got skunked, didn't like it. Most sits expect 5+ deer and expect to see a buck.

 

[Terrific_tom]

10 to 20 a sit except for two sits, Almost every sit I saw a buck. Even though I saw bucks on almost every sit I was holding out for a 150 plus that was on my land. Saw him a bunch during bow season, just out of range. Didn't get him. We shoot at least 2 does a year on our 40 when we can get the tags. You better go back and look at the metrics for Waupaca county, the deer numbers have more than doubled from 2008. Crop damage payments are up. You guys are in denial or just greedy. Waupaca county has 2 1/2 times the population of Langlade county.

 

[Bullwinkle]

You're seeing more and better deer than I am and I feel like I have a great farm

Again, did you ever think the DNR had the population wrong or the deer are in pockets and not evenly spread out?

 

[Bullwinkle]

I have a property 30 to 40 miles to the north of you Bull in Langlade county. I can shoot 2 does a year on my 40 with out any reduction of the population and the DPSM is under what is recommended by the DNR. Oh and I have at least one sometimes two 150 plus bucks a year on my property. Reduce your deer numbers on your property so there is less stress on your bucks and that un-attainable 150 buck might just be yours or just stop the poaching or have your caretaker quit shooting your big bucks.

BTW - My dad used to own a 40 along the wolf river in Langlade county just down from Herbs Rafts. Just north of the reservation. It had a small feeder stream running through it. Neighbor used to kill the trout. Wish he would have kept it

 

[Terrific_tom]

I would say the DNR numbers are close after seeing the numbers of deer and browse lines when I travel thru Waupaca county. The browse lines are every where you travel in Waupaca county.

 

[Bullwinkle]

I agree there are pockets of huge populations but it's not everywhere

If you're seeing 10-20 a sit you're hunting is as good, and it sounds like better, than I have. You have to trust me I hunt smart and hard. You have as many deer as I do. How would you like it if the Dnr made you shoot 16 does?

I just like seeing deer.

 

[X-farmerdan]

Tom you see very naive. Ever think the DNR data is wrong?

Deer are in pockets. You have to be a knucklehead to think every parcel is over run in Waupaca county

Bingo! I was gonna start another thread on the state of deer management at the state level. I didn't but, after reading a couple posts here I went and read the WI 'Trustees(?) report. It was very critical of the models and data used to establish population estimates and harvest policy. I'm ignorant of the WI issues. However, after reading the report it sounds credible and much like what I perceive of the situation in my state.


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